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Postby Propyro » Tue Aug 05, 2003 6:25 pm

wtf ... man this thread went and jupmed up into a fairly hot argument over teh weekend ... wsee what happens when i leave ... :?

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Postby nailz » Tue Aug 05, 2003 10:44 pm

Otohiko wrote:So don't knock prog. Prog (to some) is a lot more than what you see it as.


Considering this thread was set up originally as a progressive metal thread, I just assumed thats the topic we would have stayed on.
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Postby Otohiko » Wed Aug 06, 2003 3:28 pm

Right. In any case, just making sure.

I'm certainly fine with your opinion, no offence taken.

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Postby Flint the Dwarf » Wed Aug 06, 2003 5:42 pm

Otohiko, prog rock isn't quite dead. Most prog-metal fans I know listen to a fair amount of prog rock. I still do, for sure.

And Nailz, I know you love Genesis. And they're prog rock. :wink:
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Postby Otohiko » Wed Aug 06, 2003 6:48 pm

Well, I didn't say dead, I said largely dead :wink: Admittedly though, it's not at the height it was back in the old days.

Myself, I'm more a prog rock listener than prog-metal. Still, the metal part of it gets the appropriate respect from me.

I'm just a die-hard Crimhead. We don't really call ourselves prog-rock or -metal fans, we just call it progressive music. Cause we believe it really is progressive. That's why a Crimson fan is bound to get touchy when someone mentions the word 'prog'/'progressive' in an unsavory context.
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Postby kthulhu » Wed Aug 06, 2003 8:33 pm

All metal sucks.

Except for Whitesnake.
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Postby Flint the Dwarf » Thu Aug 07, 2003 11:14 am

kthulhu wrote:All metal sucks.

Except for Whitesnake.

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Postby Otohiko » Thu Aug 07, 2003 4:07 pm

8.7.2003

Today at the Vicarage : DGM Soundworld

11.10 am. "Cage" is finally stomped & squirmed. Punk's digital editing has rescued Pat's electronic bass drum, which was contributing random untimed ghost notes between all the main beats. The Rhythm Buddies are once more united. A KC latin seven feel has descended, with RF on vibes.

12.00 pm. Punk has just proudly asked for a masturbation break. He assures me that new research shows that daily masturbation (cleaning out the pipes) wards off prostrate cancer. Can this be true, I wonder? Ah! The Daily Mail. Now I understand. I shall wait until this article appears in my beloved FT before following suit.

12.15 pm. Upon finishing the masturbation break, Punk began complaining how "All metal sucks, except Whitesnake". What does he know about metal?

12.30 pm. Punk has proposed a new masturbation facility on site, which, among other appointments, is due to feature a 24/7 playback of Whitesnake's recording catalogue. What does he know about masturbation?

6:15pm. Punk has given up on his new project and went home disappointed. Metal has not gotten a break. What does he know about anything?
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Postby nailz » Thu Aug 07, 2003 4:30 pm

flint_the_dwarf wrote:And Nailz, I know you love Genesis. And they're prog rock. :wink:


me wrote:Considering this thread was set up originally as a progressive metal thread, I just assumed thats the topic we would have stayed on.
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back on topic....

Postby Kai Stromler » Fri Aug 08, 2003 1:20 pm

Apparently I spoke a little too soon.

I've head some of the samples, and it's pretty decent, though a little more like Priest covering Iced Earth rather than the IE sound we've all become familiar with. The vocal lines are obviously written for Matt.

This being said, seriously, what's with these guys nowadays?
* Matt - out
* Larry - out
* Ripper - in-as-guest-and-still-in-shock-from-getting-fired-from-Priest
* Rich Christy - someone said he didn't play on this record
* Jimmy McDonough - never has to show up till it's touring time

The credits on this album are going to look interesting:
Iced Earth is:
Jon Schaffer - guitars, bass, backing vocals, mandolin, etc.
Session musicians:
Jim Morris - lead guitars [producer]
Mark Prator - drums
Tim Owens - lead vocals


Or something like that. This isn't a band anymore, it's Jon Schaffer and the Morrisound Maulers. Blind Guardian's metal cred may be falling as Iced Earth's rises, but at least their 'band' includes nearly everyone who plays for them (full membership for Olli now!).

Whatever, I'm going to go pulp my head with _Enemies of Reality_ again.

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Postby nailz » Fri Aug 08, 2003 1:35 pm

Love the credits on the album. I don't know how any fan of any band could stand such lineup changes CONSTANTLY. Freternia has gone through about 4 different guitar/drum players in their 3 years as a 'professional' band, but thats just rocky because they don't have a hold on the music scene yet, and have only produced 2 albums. Not incredibly noticable.

However, despite the fact that I do not like Iced Earth, nearly at all, it really IS A shame that a band as being credited one of the BIGGEST crowd drawers in metal today (excluding the obvious big guns like metallica and maiden) Can't keep a lineup at ALL. It starts to make you wonder if Perhaps there's a certian band member who's driving them all out... but now.. which one could that be?

Alas, if Ripper makes it sound more like priest covering earth, this will be an album I would enjoy checking out. I never could stand Barlow's performance.
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Postby Otohiko » Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:36 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You think that's a lot of lineup changes? Man, you're lucky not to be a fan of King Crimson. In its' 34-year history, no lineup of this prog legend lasted longer than 3 years (yet).

I find lineup changes to be a good thing, artistically. It keeps fresh blood circulating and keeps the band constantly active searching for new formulas in its' music language.

Although admittedly, it's a bummer when a band goes split just before you think they're reaching their full artistic potential. That rarely happens though, and most of the time lineup changes are expected and neccesary.
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Postby ithaqua » Fri Aug 08, 2003 11:33 pm

That's why "one-man" bands can be nice. Never have to worry about NIN breaking up, or Mellowdrone have "artistic differences" or tweaker being "unable to see eye-to-eye"


Of course, I'm used to KMFDM, with rotating band members across different songs on a single album.
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Postby nailz » Sat Aug 09, 2003 12:29 am

what I like about NIN is Trent's touring guitarist broke away from G&R to go on the Fragile tour. THAT is dedication.
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