The Dying Music Industry

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Postby Ja » Mon May 05, 2003 1:42 am

The RIAA has no one to blame but themselves for setting CD prices too high, the class action lawsuit was put up aganst them when it went public that they set CD prices. The people won the case, for a while there was a website up where any one who bought a CD in like the last 10 years was entitled to $20. Myself along with every one I told signed up for it, still havent heard what the deal is with that. The RIAA has made threats to fine heavy Kazaa users (ie people who DL thousands of mp3s PER day) $150,000 for every mp3 they DL to see if it cuts down on mp3 sharing. They cant actually pull this off, it goes aganst federal and state laws to do all that. First there is the whole deal of privacy, and proving it was you who DL the file (whats to say your friend didnt get on and DL it or your sister), along with the laws of you cannot charge a excessive amount (like if I stole a spoon from you, you cant make me pay $1,000 for it). On top of all that it is not even stealing, to steal you need to take something from them or cause them to lose money. If I could not DL mp3's, I would not buy all the CD's for every mp3 I have. If mp3's are banned, it wont make my buy CD's, I'd buy the same ammount I do now, and I would be out alot less music because I wont be able to get single songs that I like. I am not gonna pay 13-20 bucks for a CD that I would only listen to 1 song on, so I just wont buy the CD. With mp3's I can DL that one song, listen to it, even tell friends about it, so you see we are not really stealing anything. The RIAA is just trying a scare tactic to try and cut down sharing. What are they gonna do? Take 20 million people to court?

Now thats off my chest, wasnt it a nice day out today? :roll:
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Postby Farlo » Mon May 05, 2003 1:47 am

my post is not advocating theft in any form.

ill admit that i download mp3s through p2p, but the thing is i downloaded the entire albums of stabbing westward "darkest days", and the selftitled album.

whenever i get money i purchase the cds. Saturday i finally found a new copy of darkest days and the other one.

95% of the mp3s on my hd and my cdrs are rips from cds that i have already purchased. 4 ofther percent of my mp3s are from albums i plan to buy, the final 1% are songs or from albums that are nearly impossible to find now.

plus its not piracy that is "killing" the music industry...IT IS SHIT MUSIC...you see that the albums that are still doing well are older, it is rare for new music to be truely good, or anything more than a passing [b]trend in music.

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Postby Jace Tsunami » Mon May 05, 2003 2:01 am

Ja, $20 is a maximum standard :? You're not suppossed to charge more than that no matter what CD it is, unless you're getting more than a CD. Like multiple CDs, a DVD, crap like that.

Likie Sum 41 - Does This Look Infected. 12 Songs, incredibly popular band, latest CD, and a DVD that came wityh 80+ minutes of footage. This CD retails at $18.99

Now this is your more expensive stuff, however, the stuff that I normaly buy is pretty dirt cheap. My CDs range from 6.99 to 14.99, most commonly around 9.99.

Now, keeping in mind most CDs I buy are 9.99, most of the people I know listen to the same stuff as me, so any one I know that's going to pirate a CD and not pay for it is going to pirate a CD much like that one. The hgih price is not driving them to pirate stuff, ANY price is driving them to pirate stuff. They're lazy fucks that have no respect for the artists they like, and think any price is too high when they could get it for free.

Just because the RIAA set a $20 standard doesn't mean your average CD is $20 :roll:

And farlo, I don't know about your good old v.s. bad enw music thing, I'm un opinionated and comment free on that, just speechless. But I know this, you're a GOOD MAN Farlo. That's the way a P2P server should be sued, that's what I do.
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Postby Rozard » Mon May 05, 2003 2:16 am

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Postby Ja » Mon May 05, 2003 12:35 pm

I am not sure what the price was set by the RIAA, (if any one knows please tell) but the lawsuit was filed because the set prices were too high (like setting price of a Soda for $100). The RIAA was charging a excessive amount and getting great profit (I am not aganst profit but some companys do go to far to gain it, also see mircosoft) and at the same time the RIAA was under paying the singers. Basicly the RIAA got a bunch of companys together in a room and said "Lets over charge CD prices and pay singers less". Also if any one has any more info on all this please post.

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Postby Jace Tsunami » Mon May 05, 2003 1:29 pm

well, like I said Ja, people are pirating cheap CDs too :?

And most CDs arn't expensive. I can import foreign copies of the CDs I buy for less than $20
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Postby TekkaRepliroid Zero » Mon May 05, 2003 1:43 pm

Ja wrote:I am not gonna pay 13-20 bucks for a CD that I would only listen to 1 song on, so I just wont buy the CD.


This is why I have a fondness for singles. You get that one song you love plus a few remixes of that song (and sometimes paired with another song or two), which sell for only a couple of bucks (less than 5 usually (the exceptions being those with something like 10 remixes (Die Another Day for example)), and that's in Canadian funs, that's 3 $US).
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Postby madmallard » Mon May 05, 2003 2:55 pm

I am not gonna pay 13-20 bucks for a CD that I would only listen to 1 song on, so I just wont buy the CD. With mp3's I can DL that one song, listen to it, even tell friends about it, so you see we are not really stealing anything


But you are stealing. The record company says you have to pay to listen to this music. Even if you get it off a radio, the radio station paid for the rights to play the music.

You may feel justified in doing it, but it doesn't change the fact that they say you should pay money to them for their product/service.

Saying that you wouldn't buy it anyways doesn't mean anything. even if the original prodcut is crap and over priced

another big piece of the problem is that recording companies in the big highlite have gotten used to pop music as something they can manufacture.

for the longest time, record companies were pretty unstable. They drifted around looking for talent, booking acts, and planning world tours. Record sales were only figrueable if they already had a smash artist. . .Now after the boy band craze, record companies have gotten greedy because they think that they can 'manufacture' a winner on demand. Obviously the public is now sick of what they've been Manufacturing.
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Mon May 05, 2003 5:49 pm

Yeah, sick of Pop.... so they move onto Punk Rock... taking bands that already exist but just giving them meraculous "career breaks" and sending them straight to the top........ Bastards

People should just let artists do their own thing, all this minipulation is what's killing it.

They think Punk is all hot shit because it has millions of udnerground fans, but what happens if you take those underground fans out?

What happens if you take the support beams out from udnerneath a house, and fill the house with MTV driven little girls that just want to aprty and get drunk? The house collapses.

They're pulling popular artists from our community, what happens if we just stop liking this type of music? And we stop picking popular artists to like, they run out of stuff to steal.
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Mon May 05, 2003 5:53 pm

*double post*

What's sad is we like a lot of Brand New bands. Everyone in the community are such true music fans we tend to know just about everything about a band, so although we love some older bands, we get really attatched to new ones.

So they're not even really pulling the bands we love, they're pulling out the new stuff only.

If they were actually looking for talent, and pulling bands that deserve to be up there, Home Grown is an example of a band that should be popular. Been around for years, several CDs, yet The All American Rejects who were opening shows for them just a few months ago are now over 100x more famous across the world. :? Even though they only have ONE CD.

Which as popular as they are Ja, is still only 9.99, and people pirate it.
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Postby Otohiko » Tue May 06, 2003 8:49 am

Why would I want to support the music industry that does the following to artists?

http://www.negativland.com/albini.html

There is, at present, a few record labels which I readily give up my money for. But I download stuff that even they release. I don't feel guilty about it because I give up about 1/3 of my total income to them, and will buy absolutely anything and everything from them once I get more money.

But these labels are few, and the record industry will try to hide the truth about them from you. Still, even in a small-town record store - look at the back of some CD's... if their copyright disclaimer seems a little funky, that's the companies I meant.

Oh, and if downloading music will help screw over the bastards like those record company pricks or Clear Channel, I'd gladly pay for more bandwith...
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Postby madmallard » Tue May 06, 2003 6:48 pm

or buy used. ;p

Got the foo fighters cd used, complete with bonus DVD.

Now theres a band and a label that has a clue how to do it right.
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Tue May 06, 2003 7:57 pm

it's true some record labels suck, but I'm fortunate ebough that most of the music I like all have great labels.

There's no label in the world better than Drive-Thru Records
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Postby kthulhu » Tue May 06, 2003 8:12 pm

Rozard wrote:Kamoc is my hero, along with kthulhu.



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I'm still your hero o_O ?

I demand you put your list of heroes in your sig!

On topic?

The music offerings suck. Plain and simple. None of today's pop, for instance, can touch 80s (New Wave and otherwise) pop, or a lot of the good stuff out of the 90s. It's all dull love or R & B, or shitty "deep" songs. Deep like a kiddie pool. Sure, the time period I mentioned didn't have meaningful lyrics, but THE MUSIC WAS THERE. The artists could actually play instruments and sing. Where is today's "Take On Me" (A-ha!), "Shout" (Tears For Fears), "Enjoy The Silence" (Depeche Mode) or "Regret" (New Order)? Nowhere!

Marketability, LARGE immediate profits over tidy ones, and image have replaced artistry and music in the mainstream today. The industry BUILDS "artists" for now, instead of actively seeking out artists that have long term potential. Where's Saliva now? Where's Drowning Pool (disregarding their lead singer's death)? Where will Korn, Linkin Park, or Slipknot be in five or ten years, in their fans heads as well as physically? Probably nowhere....

Anyhow, back to listening to Depeche Mode and Two-Mix for me.... 8)
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Postby Rozard » Tue May 06, 2003 9:31 pm

kthulhu wrote:
Rozard wrote:Kamoc is my hero, along with kthulhu.



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I'm still your hero o_O ?

I demand you put your list of heroes in your sig!

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