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Postby FoolThemAll » Sun Apr 27, 2003 6:55 pm

So you see, you just don't understand the diffrence. What is true here tho is you don't like Blink-182, you have no right at all to say they are bad, because they're not, and you mearly dislike them.


I like Blink 182.

I dislike the album because it is my opinion that it is bad. You like the album because it is your opinion that it is good.

That's how it stands right now. One opinion against another. Unless you prove your point of view.

If you mean that you have a more informed opinion in this matter, I'll agree; I've only heard one half of the album, and probably not as much as you have. That doesn't mean you are right, that means you are more informed.
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Sun Apr 27, 2003 6:58 pm

What I'm saying is good and bad are things, away from thoughts of opinion.

TOYP&J is not my favorite album of theirs at all, but yeah I do like it.

It's just that I saw what it took to make the album, I saw the end result, I saw the world's responce.

To me, ona musical level it's good. On a level of opinion it is certainly WAY diffrent than their other albums, and I can more than understand some one not liking it.
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Postby FoolThemAll » Sun Apr 27, 2003 9:56 pm

It's just that I saw what it took to make the album


Good effort doesn't guarantee good results.

I saw the end result


So did I. And it was quite different from what you saw. Why is what I saw opinion and what you saw fact?

I saw the world's responce.


And as has been mentioned, consensus is not an accurate way to determine what is factually good.
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Sun Apr 27, 2003 11:07 pm

It's not my favorite album, it's a good work.

Hell, I think Justin Timberlakes album is a good work. What makes you think I like it though in the slightest.

Like I said, you're confused, and you're not thinking right.

Aside from what ever anyone thinks, I see a good album, a great one at that.

What ever you see you're saying the album is horrible, when infact it's not.
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Postby FoolThemAll » Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:10 am

Aside from what ever anyone thinks, I see a good album, a great one at that.


How is that not opinion?

Okay, watch this:

Aside from what ever anyone thinks, I see a bad album, an awful one at that.

What ever you see you're saying the album is good, when infact it's not.
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Postby shadow-the-hedgehog » Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:15 am

Okay, just drop the damn subject. If you didn't like Take off Your pants, then thats it... this does not need to drag on anymore....
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:19 am

could YOU have made that album?

They have skill, and they made a good album. You just don't like it.

Like I've said, this is pointless because you don't udnerstand.

I'm pushed into arguments easily, but this is rediculous. You're not going to push me any firther, you're just talk out of your ass.

I've beens aying the same thing, and you've been saying something diffrent everytime just trying to make it look like you knoww hat you're tlkaing about, when you don't.

You're confusing fact with opinion.

The talent that went into, and the skill that was used to make an album determines if it's good or not. Not whether or not you like it.

I'm done with this.
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Postby FoolThemAll » Mon Apr 28, 2003 8:58 am

Jace Tsunami wrote:could YOU have made that album?


Oh, please...

They have skill, and they made a good album. You just don't like it.


You just won't prove it. Quite naturally, I won't take your word for it.

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The talent that went into, and the skill that was used to make an album determines if it's good or not. Not whether or not you like it.


Hmm, okay. You don't count the end result as part of whether it's good enough. Fair enough. But I do. If something took painstaking effort and incredible skill to make, but still manages to suck harder than Puff Daddy covering the Police, it's not good in my mind. I won't call it good. And I'll argue with anyone who calls it good. I consider skill and effort irrelevant when they don't deliver.
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Postby jonmartensen » Mon Apr 28, 2003 9:12 am

I understand what you're saying, even if someone puts a lot of time and effort into something, if it's not good, then it's not good.

But personal preference (sucking) is completely relative, while skill has at least a small quantitative value. The problem here is that FoolThemAll is talking about a band being good or not good(enjoyable) in the relative sense. Jace Tsunami is talking about a band being good or not good (skill) in the quantitative sense.

That's why I think both of you are right.
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Postby FoolThemAll » Mon Apr 28, 2003 9:30 am

That's the gist of it. Except that I see the quantitative part as being far less important than the relative part in determining what is good. The end result is what's most important, most relevant. If Jace wants to make the claim that they are highly skilled, okay, that's fine. But it doesn't necessarily make them good. Not by my definition.

And he still hasn't proved that they are skilled. He said that'd be too much work? Too bad. If you're going to claim that your words are fact, you have to be able to back it up.
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Mon Apr 28, 2003 1:50 pm

dude, all i've been saying this whole time is you've got your words fucked up, you do speak english don't you?

If a band is highly skilled, then they're good, that's the way it is.

All yuo have the right to say is you don't like them.

They're a good band, and it's a good album, and you keep saying it's bad.
Nothing you've said makes it bad, everything you've said just goes to show you don't like them.

Gawd Fool Them All, you fooled me, I thought you were smart. This stupid discussion reminds me of Hatter or Cat.
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Postby VegettoEX » Mon Apr 28, 2003 2:10 pm

Well finally... that's the way it is.
I like something you don't, and you're telling me it's.. shit..

It's a waste of time, we can't change our opinions...
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Postby FoolThemAll » Mon Apr 28, 2003 4:36 pm

If a band is highly skilled, then they're good, that's the way it is.


"That's the way it is" isn't good enough if you want to show that the criteria for a band being good does not, in fact, include having good results.

Show me how a band could logically be 'great', yet put out nothing but lackluster results, and I'll conceed to your criteria. But you haven't done that yet. The closest you've come is "Because I said so." And that doesn't cut it.
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Mon Apr 28, 2003 4:39 pm

DUDE!!

You're not the fucking Mad Hatter.

Are you really this immature, drop the fucking subject.

I swear, I'm pushed into this type of shit WAY to easy, and I'm an italian with anger managment problems to boot, but you're not going to push me any further.

Go be stupid by yourself, you're not dragging me down with you.
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Postby FoolThemAll » Mon Apr 28, 2003 4:51 pm

This is nothing to get angry over. Oh well. Let the record show who it was that resorted to flaming.

If you ever wish to continue the debate:

FoolThemAll wrote:"That's the way it is" isn't good enough if you want to show that the criteria for a band being good does not, in fact, include having good results.

Show me how a band could logically be 'great', yet put out nothing but lackluster results, and I'll conceed to your criteria. But you haven't done that yet. The closest you've come is "Because I said so." And that doesn't cut it.
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