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Green Day / Blink-182

Postby Jace Tsunami » Sat Apr 26, 2003 11:01 pm

some one made a thread saying 311 had a new CD coming, so I just felt I should make this thread.

Not just one of them, but BOTH of these sueprstar bands have new CDs coming this year.

Blink's CD will be out lat summer early fall, and Green Day's CD will probably be out in the fall sometime.

Since this isn't really news that's been anounced every where, just thought you guys might want to know, for any fans.

From the music I've heared off the new records, and from the word that's going around. The new Green day album is going to sound a lot like Nimrod, and the enw Blink album is going to sound like a mix between Enema and Take Off, Your Pants & Jacket. More of an Enema influence there. The tracks I've heared off the new Blink CD are all fucking awsome. Any Blink fan will love this new CD. As for green day fans, what Green Day fan has a CD they don't like?
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Postby FoolThemAll » Sat Apr 26, 2003 11:56 pm

I'm a Green Day fan. I wasn't too impressed with Insomniac and Warning pretty much sucked, save for "Waiting". Nimrod I do like, but it's too damn long and has plenty of filler. Dookie and Kerplunk! are both great albums. Haven't really heard much off their earlier stuff.

I'm not particularly a Blink fan (although "Dammit" is awesome), but I'd just like to go on record as saying that Take Off Your Pants And Jacket has to be horrible. I say this because I've heard all the singles and a few other songs off it, and there was not a single bit of redeeming value in any of them.
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Sun Apr 27, 2003 12:05 am

You confuse opinion with fact my friend. None of the Blink or GD albums are bad. They're both great arists.

I'd have to say TOYP&J is Blink's best album. They really matured as a band, and produced some high quality music on that one. Now don't get me wrong, this isn't my favorite album of theirs, and I can see why people wouldn't like it, or why they'd simply favor another album more. My favorite album is Enema. But if you look at the album on a musical level, TOYP&J is a great album, well done.

As for the GD albums, I didn't like warning that much either, it's too slow/soft. The band said they made that album the way they did because they were trying to become better as a band, and it's as simple as that. There was more expirementing to do, they saw a chance to evolve further as a band than what they were, so they did, the result Warning.

Now tho however, the band's thoughts on their next CD are that finaly they HAVE evolved as far as a band as they can, and trying to go further would be futile. So, what they've done was decided to pick a style and go with it. They decided that they wanted their new album to be faster and harder, and they settled with their Nimrod style, so that's why the new album is going to sound more like Nimrod over all of the other ones.

In short, don't expect any change from GD, just expect a CD that sounds EXACTLY like Nimrod, but with new songs.

And don't say somehting is bad just ebcause you don't like it.
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Postby shadow-the-hedgehog » Sun Apr 27, 2003 2:07 am

Green Day is coming out with NEW cd? Fuck y-iz-eah! It is all new, right?
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Sun Apr 27, 2003 2:09 am

yeah dude, all new music.

BTW, I don't know if your server is down or something, but your avatar and sig don't work.
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Postby shadow-the-hedgehog » Sun Apr 27, 2003 2:26 am

Cool and....
It should be up, I see it... o_0
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Sun Apr 27, 2003 2:37 am

I see it now, it wwasn't up before.
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Postby FoolThemAll » Sun Apr 27, 2003 9:37 am

You confuse opinion with fact my friend. None of the Blink or GD albums are bad. They're both great arists.


Oh, I'm sorry. I must've missed the paragraph where you proved this.

And don't say somehting is bad just ebcause you don't like it.


Why else would you say something is bad?

In short, don't expect any change from GD, just expect a CD that sounds EXACTLY like Nimrod, but with new songs.


Sounds like potential. Hopefully they'll keep it shorter. Red Hot Chili Peppers and They Might Be Giants are the only band I know of, off the top of my head, that can make great long albums.
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Sun Apr 27, 2003 2:24 pm

Why else would you say something is bad?


because it is.

If you just don't like it, you should say you don't like it.


a BAD musicala rtist would have to be some one like Ana Nicole Smith. Have you ever seen her eprform? Holy shit.

A bad artists sucks at what they do, people you don't like you just don't like. no reason to say they're bad if you just don't liek them.
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Postby FoolThemAll » Sun Apr 27, 2003 2:57 pm

Jace Tsunami wrote:
Why else would you say something is bad?


because it is.


*snip*

Again...I must have missed the part where you proved that Take Off Your Pants & Jacket is a good album. If you have some way to demonstrate that it is, in fact, good, I'd be glad to hear it.

Otherwise, I did not confuse opinion with fact.
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Sun Apr 27, 2003 3:10 pm

The entire band is highly skilled, I know this for a fact, tho i'd be kind of hard to use eprsonal experiences as evidence.

You have to take into consideration the band does everything for themselves, and with that said this CD was composed incredibly well.

They call bands artists for reasons, it took skill to compose such an album, and then they put it together quite nicely.

Their music is so complicated now a days, with all the complex little riffs mixed into each other through out all of their songs.

I don't see how you could listen to their album and say it's bad.

You know how I said earlyer it'd take metal fans to truly tell me if Metalica was good or not? Well you're not a punk fan, much less a new punk fan.

Now as a fan, I'm telling you Blink-182 is truly great band, and that CD is incredible. I know the band eprsonaly, I've seen them practice, i've seen them fool around, all 3 of them are highly skilled, and they used those skills to compose an incredible album, it's that simple.

I didn't say that you were just saying things are bad, I said you're CONFUSING fact with opinion. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it bad, and obviously you still don't understand the diffrence here.

I just can't convince some one that doesn't understand.

And as for respecting you as a metal fan, I didn't say because Metalica has so many fans they're good, I just said that would lead me to believe they are, and a couple Metal fans are going to have a hard time convincing me other wise.

However, if several metal fans came up to me, 10 or so more and they all had good legitment reasons why Metalica wasn't any good, other than, "Non-Mainstream stuff sounds better" (<--nothing but opinion) then I would have to believe Metalica had no skill.

So I didn't say they were skilled, just that I have a hard time taking your word alone that they're not. If you want to lay anyhting out in support tho that the band has no talent, go ahead, and maybe I'll believe you.
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Postby FoolThemAll » Sun Apr 27, 2003 4:50 pm

The entire band is highly skilled, I know this for a fact, tho i'd be kind of hard to use eprsonal experiences as evidence.


If you can't show that your 'facts' are facts, exactly how am I supposed to distinguish your 'facts' from opinion?

You have to take into consideration the band does everything for themselves, and with that said this CD was composed incredibly well.


Plenty of bands do everything for themselves. That doesn't necessarily make them good.

Depending on what you mean by 'composing', I probably disagree.

Their music is so complicated now a days, with all the complex little riffs mixed into each other through out all of their songs.


Complicated does not necessarily mean good.

I don't see how you could listen to their album and say it's bad.


I don't like it. The lyrics are annoying, the music uninspiring, and the songs in general uninteresting.

I said you're CONFUSING fact with opinion. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it bad, and obviously you still don't understand the diffrence here.


And just because you like something doesn't make it good. If you can't show your thoughts on Blink 182 to be fact, rather than opinion, why should I take your word that they are fact?

And actually, I'm about as much of a metal fan as I am a new punk fan. I'm mostly into rock and alternative.

However, if several metal fans came up to me, 10 or so more and they all had good legitment reasons why Metalica wasn't any good, other than, "Non-Mainstream stuff sounds better" (<--nothing but opinion) then I would have to believe Metalica had no skill.


And what about when equally-informed people disagree on whether Metallica has skill?

So I didn't say they were skilled, just that I have a hard time taking your word alone that they're not. If you want to lay anyhting out in support tho that the band has no talent, go ahead, and maybe I'll believe you.


I have no qualms labeling what I say on this matter as opinion. I want to know how your claims are more than opinion.

So, right back atcha.
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Postby FoolThemAll » Sun Apr 27, 2003 4:53 pm

Nix this part:

And what about when equally-informed people disagree on whether Metallica has skill?


I consider it possible to argue skill objectively.

So, forget I typed that.
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Sun Apr 27, 2003 5:17 pm

Jace Tsunami wrote:
Why else would you say something is bad?


because it is.

If you just don't like it, you should say you don't like it.



Jace Tsunami wrote:I didn't say that you were just saying things are bad, I said you're CONFUSING fact with opinion. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it bad, and obviously you still don't understand the diffrence here.


FoolThemAll wrote:
Jace Tsunami wrote:I don't see how you could listen to their album and say it's bad.


So you see, you just don't understand the diffrence. What is true here tho is you don't like Blink-182, you have no right at all to say they are bad, because they're not, and you mearly dislike them.

Now on proving it's a good album, this is all I'm going to offer. I go to like 10 concerts a month, i'm a very active member on the punk scene. I know the bands, and I'm on a whole bunch of street teams (real ones, not that internet crap). I'm put on these street teams because people respect my word on music and take into high consideration of what I tell them. I see the bands practicing, I know what's good and what's not.

Now especialy with blink being one of the bands I know, you should take my word when i tell you they're good.

However, you're right, I can't prove myself right with just words, that the album is good. What'd take is solid evidence which I'm not going tot ake the time and effort to do.

I don't knwo if you noticed a video thread, where The mad Hatter and Ed where fighting, but it came down to both of them making amvs, and taking snap shots several times, to prove the other one right over which quality is better. What a waste of time.

The only thing I can do is rip the CD, clip out audio highlights that best demenstrate skill and those incredibly composed riffs I was talking about. To avoid a stupid similar hatter v.s. Ed moment, I'm not going to do that.

There's no way I can truly convince you with words, which I understand and will accept, just udnerstand yourself I'm not talking out of my ass here, and you really can't say they're bad, you're incredibly unaware. All yuo can say is you don't like them, which you've finaly done, so I think this is over.

I don't like it. The lyrics are annoying, the music uninspiring, and the songs in general uninteresting.
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Sun Apr 27, 2003 5:19 pm

ugh... fuck BB code.

this should be in that box with your name in it, not my post.

I don't like it. The lyrics are annoying, the music uninspiring, and the songs in general uninteresting.


what you wrote their should be all that's in that box, then my post comes after.

Now gee, if only we had edit buttons.... :?

Sorry, typing random crap now to ensure I don't get a "Your post was too soon, wait a millenium" message

It should be good now... It better :evil:
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