Eminem wins an Oscar!

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Postby FirestormXIII » Fri Mar 28, 2003 11:25 pm

The Messiah of Pain wrote:I didn't read this thread AT ALL <------- (note what I said, so you don't come back and ask me to read this mess)

Ok, I'll just say 'understood' before I mention anything.

The Messiah of Pain wrote:but wouldn't the best solution is to just tell him 1 rapper that doesn't? I read two replies to that same quote, and No one bothered to do that.. there was one person who started babbling about how rap was mor than that or whatever.. and I didn't see 1 name..

I guess my post of the one "babbling about how rap was mor than that or whatever..". I don't know whether you read my whole post or not, but I did mention a few names towards the end.
And my post was dealing with a different facet of his argument than that which he and Zero were arguing about. I saw what he'd written as implying that rap was nothing more than ego trips, drugs, and violence, and I was merely pointing out to him that such was not the case, and did mention some rappers to get my point across. That's all; and it's unfortunate that me putting an aspect of his argument to rest (I've noticed he's said nothing in response to what I've written) was seen as 'babbling'.

At any rate, I'm pretty much done with this, there's not a whole lot left to talk about that's going to change anyone's mind.

Oh yea, before I go *applauds Hakura's post*
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Postby V3n0m » Sun Mar 30, 2003 3:58 am

eminem... sux he really didnt deserve the oscar, oscars represent the respect of people and he has not had that yet, well the general population, in witch the oscars represent...

indeed i 2 lost respect for the oscars 2... eminem's music is good the first time u listen to it cuz its kinda funny, look at ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HATE HIM!!! his songs turn out annoying and undedicated, he is annoying and undedicated,


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Postby josepi » Sun Mar 30, 2003 8:02 pm

So let me get this straight. The most intelligent film critics in America chose the most annoying rapper in teh world to be the person responsible for the Best Song From a Movie Soundtrack. Oi. There really is no intellegent thought left in the world.
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Postby the Black Monarch » Mon Mar 31, 2003 2:12 am

buddykiller wrote: i can't think of ANY band that doesn't mention themselves at least once on every fucking album.


This is the only thing he said that was worth responding to, since it shows that he knows jack shit about music.

Eminem is an unusual rapper, but he sucks. Every goddamn one of his songs is all about himself and how badass he thinks he is and how he doesn't care about what anyone else thinks of him or his so-called music. But if he doesn't care, then why would he keep on repeating the same old crap about how much he doesn't care? He's all image and no substance. Britney fucking Spears deserved an Oscar more than Eminem did.
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Postby V3n0m » Mon Mar 31, 2003 2:23 am

well those expert people can take me out of the persons they represent... Fuak em
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Postby BishounenStalker » Tue Apr 01, 2003 9:04 pm

Ok, I'll admit I only read half of this thread because that's all I needed to see.

Buddykiller and people like him are the reason I want to take over the global shipping system and give everyone on the planet a Superman costume with the "wearing of this costume will not enable you to fly" tag removed. He and the millions who think like he does are the reason popular entertainment has been going down the toilet for the last 13 years.

I won't attempt to jump in on the good rap/bad rap issue a a whole, because I'm not a rap fan and my opinion on the matter wouldn't be valid at all. But I will say with complete confidence that I can't stand, won't listen to, and will rag on Eminem not because he's bad rap, but because he's a hate-spewing, uneducated bigot. But just as a side note, I can't remember which rapper said this about Eminem, but the quote sums it up beautifully: "Candy assed rapper, candy assed rap."

I WILL agree with everything Zerophite said regarding art and popularity. I just finished a class last semester on theories of mass culture, and Zero is ABSOLUTELY right. Buddykiller obviously has no clue what goes on in the marketing of entertainment, be it music, fashion, movies, or even soft drinks. The people in Eminem's marketing department, as well as in all departments across the globe of ANYTHING popular, have creaing an image literally down to a science. And apparently he's fallen for it hook, line, and sinker. Part of the aim of today's marketing, especially in music, is to make the consumer think they're being original and "buying what they like", but in reality all people like Buddykiller are doing is buying exactly what the suits behind the label want them to.

Being a fine artist (drawing) myself, I both understand agree with the art-is-not-for-money statement. And yes, by what he says it's safe to assume Buddykiller is not an artist of any sort, nor has he ever talked to an artist or an art professor. One prof I had a couple semesters ago always asked the same question on the first day of class: Why do you want to be an artist? And if a student gave an answer with the word "money" anywhere in it (unless the statement included a negative pertaining to that word), he told them to get out of his class. You don't have to make art for yourself to be an artist. You can make it for other people. You can make it for whatever reason you WANT....just NOT FOR MONEY! If you become an artist for the money, you'll starve.

And yes, you can still be a true artist and strike it rich, if the reason you continue to make the art is because you love doing it. If you continue because it's making you money (and thus, you WILL fall into the trap of riding trend waves as tastes change over time), then you have sold out and are no longer an artist.

As for Eminem winning the Oscar (read: back on topic), I believe he did not because he deserved it (which he didn't), but because the Academy Awards are trying to put up the facade that they aren't the bunch of snooty elitists that everyone knows they are. It's an appeasement award, nothing else. Basically a "You have your Oscar. Happy now?"

I choose to look on the bright side: perhaps winning the Oscar is an omen that his career is over in the next five years. We can hope

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P.S. -- IMO, either Paul Simon's "Father and Daughter" (Wild Thornberrys movie) or "I Move On" from Chicago should've won the award.
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Postby zachthegnome » Wed Apr 02, 2003 1:05 pm

Eminem can freestyle, he won the blaze battles some year ago. He’s not a good rapper, he’s a "hip hop artist." Anyone who gets made on MTV looses all credibility because who watches mtv? Suburban kids with a complete lack of culture, knowledge and intelligence. I personally hate eminem, his songs are all the same and he sounds like a cartoon character. His lyrics are all about the same thing, his public image, and kids love that crap. I am one of those people that still like to call music an art, and believe it should have some meaning. The only rappers I see who have powerful lyrics are the ones that don’t make it to MTV because the little kids cant listen to it and say "hey he smokes weed and hates his mom just like I do!!!"
Just a few suggestions who think eminem is the most talented lyricist out there listen to:

RZA - any rapper who can reference goku and galvatron is awesome and deserves respect on a board like this

GZA - the song fame is completely organized by famous people's names and it amazing

Talib Kweli - he has some powerful lyrics against war and about current state of affairs in the world today

Mos Def - a true renaissance man when it comes to rap

Big L - if he was still alive today, I doubt anyone would have ever heard of eminem

Saul Williams - he is a slam poet who puts lots of his stuff to beats, his song with blackalicious and Zack De La Rocha of rage is really good

Dead Prez - although extremely militant, even a white Jew like me can respect their art

Rass Kass - the song nature of the threat is the untold history of the world

Basically, pop culture today is awful and leading to the fall of society, hopefully these things will pass.
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Postby the Black Monarch » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:56 pm

zachthegnome wrote: who can reference goku and galvatron is awesome and deserves respect on a board like this


Long Live Galvatron!

The Barenaked Ladies mentioned Sailor Moon in one of their songs. Do they get good marks from you?

zachthegnome wrote:pop culture today is awful and leading to the fall of society


I disagree. I think pop helps keep people away from the Dark Side. Who's more likely to shoot up their school: someone who listens to the Backstreet Boys, or... oh wait, you said pop culture. Never mind.
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Postby JustinCredible » Wed Apr 02, 2003 8:24 pm

the Black Monarch wrote:
zachthegnome wrote: who can reference goku and galvatron is awesome and deserves respect on a board like this


Long Live Galvatron!

The Barenaked Ladies mentioned Sailor Moon in one of their songs. Do they get good marks from you?


BNL always gets good marks from me!
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Postby the Black Monarch » Sat Apr 05, 2003 4:36 am

I heard them do a version of "When Doves Cry," which was originally by Prince, and the BNL version sucked ass.
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Postby ProdigySim » Sat Apr 05, 2003 10:56 pm

Hey, I can agree with most of you that Eminem does some pretty bad songs, and it's really bad when people around you memorize them and start repeating them in public...
But this song was good. I loved it, especially the Radio Edit (Not a big fan of the big F, even though they only used it 2-3 times in this song).
I haven't seen the movie, so I have no right to critical opinion on that. But This song? I love it.
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Postby JustinCredible » Sun Apr 06, 2003 5:27 pm

the Black Monarch wrote:I heard them do a version of "When Doves Cry," which was originally by Prince, and the BNL version sucked ass.


Have you heard anything else they have done besides a cover?
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Postby the Black Monarch » Mon Apr 07, 2003 7:26 pm

Yes, that song from that car commercial, which I really like.
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Postby Rozard » Tue Apr 08, 2003 12:39 am

That would be "One Week," arguably their most popular song.... :?
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